I have not forgotten our conversation. Indeed it is the driving force behind my ask. I wish to identify what aspect of the storms possibly unique to your planet are providing energy to your spheres. If that can be identified, it may be possible to artificially generate so that you are not bereft of what it is your world offers you.
[ In the same way that it is at least mildly disconcerting for Spock to be here. It's been some time since he was surrounded almost entirely by humans, accustomed to the odd telepathic communication with Hemmer or the visits from T'Pring that kept him connected to his culture. Being here is a minor adjustment, and that for a man well accustomed to leaving behind that which he knows. For Kaladin, it must be much more jarring. ]
What you are asking me is a question of mathematics. Of chance. It is not impossible that we exist within the same universe and that this is another planet given the same name as the Earth with which I'm familiar.
However, its history matches mine up until a distinct point in the twentieth century, at which point there is significant divergence. Furthermore, initial scans of the planet have revealed a near-identical composition. I would suggest the likelihood of this being my universe at less than 1.46%, though that is a rudimentary calculation at present.
gripped by this rudimentary calculation, he tries to feel grateful that spock's been honest with him; however, his morale takes a crippling blow. carrying on with the conversation requires monumental effort.
something inspiring should be said now. words a leader might wield to raise the heads of his soldiers. though spock is no follower of his, he's a teammate he's responsible for. that's all that's ever mattered to kaladin. )
If they brought us here they can send us back I won't be convinced otherwise and I'll fight to learn how they managed it I'm certain it'll be as complicated as all the aspects of my world Yours too And any you look at very closely
But it's the very least I can do if your intent in studying the spheres is to help me
It is still too early to make assumptions. But as that applies to their ability to send us back to our own worlds, so too does that apply to our own ability to control our fate.
I have been displaced many times, Captain Kaladin. In time. In place. I do not doubt myself when it comes to righting what has occurred. Doubly so with someone as determined as you are sharing my goal.
However. Have you considered that our being here may be a positive?
( if he could possess spock's confidence in his own abilities, it'd certainly make it easier for kaladin to throw himself headlong at the mission board. the perseverance spock highlights only ever seems to get him into more trouble, after all.
now, to be told it doubles spock's certainty... when was the last time anyone shared a sentiment like that with him? )
Helping to protect this world is a positive but it was never a responsibility we were meant to have Right now I'm needed more in Alethkar
If your displacements taught you things that have only ever improved your circumstances Spock then I'd love to hear the list And that's an honest request One without dry wit or mockeries
It is not accurate to say that my displacements have only improved my circumstances. In many cases I have suffered personal losses or experienced harm. However, it does not mean that I consider these experiences unnecessary, avoidable, or not still a net good for others.
[ He finds it in himself to take a moment to appreciate Kaladin's straightforward nature and willingness to communicate with him transparently, whether he knows of the Vulcan tendency to misinterpret things like "dry wit or mockeries" or not. Hm. ]
Why do you assume this is not a responsibility you were meant to have? If LILITH is correct, you are still present within Alethkar just as I am present in my own timeline. Our duties are not abandoned.
I don't care if I'm a replica of someone doing my work back on Roshar I'm not there to witness it happening and so I worry that whoever is back there fighting to protect my people is not doing a good enough job
You can't convince me otherwise so don't even try I've had enough of strangers dictating what I believe
Instead tell me why you think this will end up being another net positive
I see. Your outlook is your own, but in case you were unaware representatives from LILITH are able to dictate occurrences in your home world. It may provide you with additional information that you would seek.
However, I believe this will be a net positive because these people need our help. And because we have both demonstrated a willingness to respond to that need.
If I am able to gather information or materials from this world that can aid others outside of it, that will also be welcome.
when he does a couple of hours later, it's with a cooler head. )
I'm aware of the services Lilith provides Stop giving me recommendations I didn't ask for They're not helping me to be less concerned for my comrades but they are frustrating me
I'm sorry you experienced hardship and loss in similar situations Spock You're right that our being here to help is a positive Of course it is But none of us can be spared the ache I don't know if that's what you're trying to do or if you're trying to convince yourself but it needs to be said
What I asked for was examples of the good things you thought we'd be able to show for our being here Not for advice to speak to Lilith to hear tales of my own doings on Roshar without actually having done them
My advice is to listen when someone tells you they're upset Let them know you understand if you do and be encouraging And if you're the kind of person to seek comfort in others then join me in the cafeteria this evening for mealtime Since I find I'm having a hard time talking to you I'll continue to talk to you until I don't
( wow....... no one's ever meditated on what he's said before....... )
You too Spock We're comrades now
No I passed through the area on my earlier walk but I didn't see any cooks I could ask There have been food shortages in the city They've probably turned to creating their own from substitutes
I see. There exists the possibility that I may restrict my intake to just water. Do not see this as an offense. The chief purpose of our meeting up will be conversation.
That he should come here and be seen as human... after so long on the Enterprise, where he was seen as anything but. Even on Vulcan, a planet where he was too "of Earth" to belong, there was Michael and his mother to remind him he didn't belong in that classification either.
Logically, he should feel nothing about Kaladin's words, which is a good way for him to get out of analyzing how he definitely does feel. ]
I have been keeping myself open to the possibility of acquiring some spices, should they be reasonably priced. I will prioritize this. [ Since you're also suffering, this cannot stand. ]
To name Vulcan dishes would be a pointless exercise. Instead I will say that we do not eat meat, nor do we eat the product of any sentient creature. Here, that limits my options.
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[ In the same way that it is at least mildly disconcerting for Spock to be here. It's been some time since he was surrounded almost entirely by humans, accustomed to the odd telepathic communication with Hemmer or the visits from T'Pring that kept him connected to his culture. Being here is a minor adjustment, and that for a man well accustomed to leaving behind that which he knows. For Kaladin, it must be much more jarring. ]
What you are asking me is a question of mathematics. Of chance. It is not impossible that we exist within the same universe and that this is another planet given the same name as the Earth with which I'm familiar.
However, its history matches mine up until a distinct point in the twentieth century, at which point there is significant divergence. Furthermore, initial scans of the planet have revealed a near-identical composition. I would suggest the likelihood of this being my universe at less than 1.46%, though that is a rudimentary calculation at present.
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gripped by this rudimentary calculation, he tries to feel grateful that spock's been honest with him; however, his morale takes a crippling blow. carrying on with the conversation requires monumental effort.
something inspiring should be said now. words a leader might wield to raise the heads of his soldiers. though spock is no follower of his, he's a teammate he's responsible for. that's all that's ever mattered to kaladin. )
If they brought us here they can send us back
I won't be convinced otherwise and I'll fight to learn how they managed it
I'm certain it'll be as complicated as all the aspects of my world
Yours too
And any you look at very closely
But it's the very least I can do if your intent in studying the spheres is to help me
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I have been displaced many times, Captain Kaladin. In time. In place. I do not doubt myself when it comes to righting what has occurred. Doubly so with someone as determined as you are sharing my goal.
However. Have you considered that our being here may be a positive?
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now, to be told it doubles spock's certainty... when was the last time anyone shared a sentiment like that with him? )
Helping to protect this world is a positive but it was never a responsibility we were meant to have
Right now I'm needed more in Alethkar
If your displacements taught you things that have only ever improved your circumstances Spock then I'd love to hear the list
And that's an honest request
One without dry wit or mockeries
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[ He finds it in himself to take a moment to appreciate Kaladin's straightforward nature and willingness to communicate with him transparently, whether he knows of the Vulcan tendency to misinterpret things like "dry wit or mockeries" or not. Hm. ]
Why do you assume this is not a responsibility you were meant to have? If LILITH is correct, you are still present within Alethkar just as I am present in my own timeline. Our duties are not abandoned.
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I'm not there to witness it happening and so I worry that whoever is back there fighting to protect my people is not doing a good enough job
You can't convince me otherwise so don't even try
I've had enough of strangers dictating what I believe
Instead tell me why you think this will end up being another net positive
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However, I believe this will be a net positive because these people need our help. And because we have both demonstrated a willingness to respond to that need.
If I am able to gather information or materials from this world that can aid others outside of it, that will also be welcome.
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when he does a couple of hours later, it's with a cooler head. )
I'm aware of the services Lilith provides
Stop giving me recommendations I didn't ask for
They're not helping me to be less concerned for my comrades but they are frustrating me
I'm sorry you experienced hardship and loss in similar situations Spock
You're right that our being here to help is a positive
Of course it is
But none of us can be spared the ache
I don't know if that's what you're trying to do or if you're trying to convince yourself but it needs to be said
Can I give you a word of advice
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What I am endeavoring to do is to answer the question I have been asked. I do not feel a need to convince myself of something I already believe.
I will consider what else you have said, however, and hold back recommendations on the adjacent topic.
Please continue with your own advice.
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Not for advice to speak to Lilith to hear tales of my own doings on Roshar without actually having done them
My advice is to listen when someone tells you they're upset
Let them know you understand if you do and be encouraging
And if you're the kind of person to seek comfort in others then join me in the cafeteria this evening for mealtime
Since I find I'm having a hard time talking to you I'll continue to talk to you until I don't
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I wish to know you, Captain Kaladin.
Are you aware of the menu for this evening?
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You too Spock
We're comrades now
No I passed through the area on my earlier walk but I didn't see any cooks I could ask
There have been food shortages in the city
They've probably turned to creating their own from substitutes
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I see. There exists the possibility that I may restrict my intake to just water. Do not see this as an offense. The chief purpose of our meeting up will be conversation.
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I don't see it as an offence but the cooks might
You can't eat water
If you skip this meal will you have something in the morning
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If you are experiencing concern, it is not warranted. I also ate yesterday.
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If you say you're good to go then alright
( ... )
If you're talking about ice it's not the same thing
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2/2
Do you think I am starving?
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I don't think you're starving
You might be soon if you drink instead of eat
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Should I assume that that is also the case for you, or have you been able to eat everything here without facing difficulty?
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Planets and people really do come in all shapes and sizes
It was too easy to think of you as human
I'll remember Spock
As for me I'm fine
Tough on digestion maybe but this artificial food tastes better than what's provided to our armies
It's bland as damnation though
What is it you people eat
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That he should come here and be seen as human... after so long on the Enterprise, where he was seen as anything but. Even on Vulcan, a planet where he was too "of Earth" to belong, there was Michael and his mother to remind him he didn't belong in that classification either.
Logically, he should feel nothing about Kaladin's words, which is a good way for him to get out of analyzing how he definitely does feel. ]
I have been keeping myself open to the possibility of acquiring some spices, should they be reasonably priced. I will prioritize this. [ Since you're also suffering, this cannot stand. ]
To name Vulcan dishes would be a pointless exercise. Instead I will say that we do not eat meat, nor do we eat the product of any sentient creature. Here, that limits my options.
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Count me in
I don't mind the expense and it beats having the sweeter stuff
You helped out with the hotel bill too
Is it still a problem if it's artificial meat
More the idea of it than the actual consumption
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[ Now, about my ugly roomβ ]
You are curious about Vulcan culture? Or still concerned that I will become weak and unable to function here.
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( about everything ever all of the time )
But I want to hear about Vulcans too
Will you answer my questions
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